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  People, it really is this simple

  by Trevor Scott in

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  what will guide us in choosing the right religion?

  the encyclopdia universalis is correct when it highlights the importance of truth.

  a religion that teaches lies cannot be true.

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  Trevor Scott

  abe, yadda:
  
  Those verses perfectly describe the Watchtower Society. I would add Ephesians 4:14:
  
  So then, we may no longer be children, tossed like ships to and fro between chance gusts of teaching and wavering with every changing wind of doctrine, the prey of the cunning and cleverness of unscrupulous men, gamblers engaged in every shifting form of trickery in inventing errors to mislead. (AMP)
  
  However, this brings me back to my original point about the subjective nature of doctrine. As Adam mentioned, no JW will accept these verses as applying to the Watchtower Society, regardless of how well the shoe fits to an objective observer. To the JW, the verses DO NOT apply. But the fact that the Watchtower Society has lied and is therefore a LIAR ORGANIZATION cannot be disputed. At the very least, every JW has to walk away with the knowledge that the Watchtower Society is teaching lies. How much cognitive dissonanace this knowledge causes depends on the heart condition of the individual JW.
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  People, it really is this simple

  by Trevor Scott in

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  what will guide us in choosing the right religion?

  the encyclopdia universalis is correct when it highlights the importance of truth.

  a religion that teaches lies cannot be true.

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  Thanks for all the comments.
  
  I love this angle to debunking the Watchtower Society. You can run around in circles forever arguing doctrine because of its subjective nature, but a lie is a lie is a lie.
  
  The vast majority of dubs will sit on doctrinal concerns - "wait on Jehovah" and all that - but (imo) blatant outright lying is far more difficult to swallow in terms of cognitive dissonance.
  
  I went through some serious anxiety during my own exodus from the JWs. Uncovering the blatant lies of the organization enabled me to immediately discount the Watchtower Society as being "true religion".
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  People, it really is this simple

  by Trevor Scott in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what will guide us in choosing the right religion?

  the encyclopdia universalis is correct when it highlights the importance of truth.

  a religion that teaches lies cannot be true.

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  3rdgen,
  
  Don't know if they still harp on it, but they used to be pretty anal about lower case w "witnesses" vs upper case w "Witnesses".
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  People, it really is this simple

  by Trevor Scott in

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  what will guide us in choosing the right religion?

  the encyclopdia universalis is correct when it highlights the importance of truth.

  a religion that teaches lies cannot be true.

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  Adam, good points. And you're right, of course - he didn't even blink.
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  People, it really is this simple

  by Trevor Scott in

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  what will guide us in choosing the right religion?

  the encyclopdia universalis is correct when it highlights the importance of truth.

  a religion that teaches lies cannot be true.

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  Jehovahs Witnesses didn't exist until 1931.

  Hence, the lower case w in "Jehovah's witnesses" in the quote.
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  People, it really is this simple

  by Trevor Scott in

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  what will guide us in choosing the right religion?

  the encyclopdia universalis is correct when it highlights the importance of truth.

  a religion that teaches lies cannot be true.

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  I once had a JW admit to me that, "yes, the Watchtower Society lied." He quickly followed up that statement with "But it doesn't matter, because they have the truth!"
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  People, it really is this simple

  by Trevor Scott in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what will guide us in choosing the right religion?

  the encyclopdia universalis is correct when it highlights the importance of truth.

  a religion that teaches lies cannot be true.

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  What will guide us in choosing the right religion? The Encyclopædia Universalis is correct when it highlights the importance of truth. A religion that teaches lies cannot be true. --The Watchtower, December 1, 1991, page 7.

  Excellent! Forget about doctrine; it's as simple as this: A RELIGION THAT TEACHES LIES CANNOT BE TRUE.
  
  
  Lie number 1:
  
  
  Why, then, do the nations not realize and accept the approach of this climax of judgment? It is because they have not heeded the world-wide advertising of Christ's return and his second presence. Since long before World War I Jehovah's witnesses pointed to 1914 as the time for this great event to occur. –The Watchtower, June 15, 1954, page 370.

  An outright lie taught by the Watchtower Society, that "long before World War I" Jehovah's Witnesses pointed (forward) to 1914 as the time for "Christ's return and his second presence."

  In reality, before WWI and actually well after WWI the Watchtower Society taught that this supposed "great event" occurred in 1874, not 1914:

  Bible prophecy shows that the Lord was due to appear for the second time in the year 1874. Fulfilled prophecy shows beyond a doubt that he did appear in 1874. Fulfilled prophecy is otherwise designated the physical facts; and these facts are indisputable. –The Watchtower, November 1, 1922, page 333
  
  
  Lie number 2:

  As far back as 1879, the publishers of this magazine pointed to the year 1914 as a marked year in Bible prophecy, as the starting point for what the Bible calls "the time the end." –Awake!, October 8, 1972, page 15.

  Another outright lie taught by the Watchtower Society, that "as far back as 1879" they pointed (forward) to 1914 as the "starting point" for "the time of the end".
  
  Again, checking the Society's publications from the era reveals the truth:

  There are two important dates here that we must not confuse, but clearly differentiate, namely, the beginning of the "time of the end" and of "the presence of the Lord". "The time of the end" embraces a period from A.D. 1799, as above indicated, to the time of the complete overthrow of Satan's empire and the establishment of the kingdom of the Messiah. –The Harp of God, 1921, page 231.
  
  Forget "as far back as 1879". In 1921, the Watchtower Society was still teaching that "the time of the end" started in 1799 - not 1914.
  
  
  I could easily fill pages with various lies taught by the Society, but there's no need. These two lies taught by the Watchtower Society prove they are not - cannot be - the true religion. This determination is based on their OWN ASSERTION, which for once, agrees with common sense.
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  Pedophile JW Elder Louis (Lou) Daigle sentenced to 11 years

  by Trevor Scott in

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  former jw elder and now convicted pedophile/rapist is (finally) behind bars.

  i knew the bastard personally and can't tell you how happy i am to see this sick sob behind bars.

  just wish it could have happened sooner.. http://www.blumbergs.ca/articles/81-year-old-ontario-man-sentenced-to-11-years-in-prison-in-a-1953-historic-.

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  steve, good questions. I'll do what I can to track down some answers.
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  Pedophile JW Elder Louis (Lou) Daigle sentenced to 11 years

  by Trevor Scott in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  former jw elder and now convicted pedophile/rapist is (finally) behind bars.

  i knew the bastard personally and can't tell you how happy i am to see this sick sob behind bars.

  just wish it could have happened sooner.. http://www.blumbergs.ca/articles/81-year-old-ontario-man-sentenced-to-11-years-in-prison-in-a-1953-historic-.

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  Afaik, he was still a jw at the time of his arrest. He certainly was when I left the WT a few years ago.

  Not sure if the WT attorneys were involved.
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  How Does BLONDIE Do It?

  by JWdaughter in

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  I can't get through more than 1 or 2 paragraphs..... Thank you Blondie!